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Twisted leaders

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:05 pm
by Wild Dog
This may have been done to death but I can't find it anywhere.
Using twisted leaders to fish for barra up the cape and don't seem to be able to get a satisfactory method of joining the twisted leader to the split ring in the lure.
Can anyone suggest a website that deals specifically with this question. Have no problem joining the twisted leader to the Bimini twist but so far any knots look too bulky when tying the ends of the leader to the split ring on the lure.

Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:06 pm
by fishconnect
Wild Dog.

I think this is what you are chasing?
Its a knot called "Cat's Paw" and I used to use it for game fishing when I deckied on marlin boats years ago. I also used this knot for heavy Japanese Jigging.

Its great for doubles and is sort of knotless...I would tie the "Cat's Paw" to a solid ring then feed the split ring onto that. ... tspaw.html

Hope this helps?


Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:54 am
by Wild Dog
Thanks Jay
By the looks of it the Cats Paw is the tidiest method of getting the leader attached to the split ring.
Went on the Leadertec site, seems to be heaps of info there.

Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:01 am
by Alistair
Note that it can only be used when the double line has a complete loop. If the double has been cut to remove a previous Cat's Paw, use an Improved clinch knot.
Going by this, and assuming you used the loop end of the leader to join to the main line it wont work. The knotted dog is a great abraison resistant and stretchy leader but a bugger to tie a decent knot in. I dont know the name of the one I use but was shown it for the knotted dog. It goes through the splitring/lureclip and then winds around the line 3 times (loosly)before passing back up between the loops just made and the line. Pull tight with pressure and a bit of wiggling and you have a knot that whilst a bit bulky is better than others I have tried and does not slip.

If you come up with something good please take a pic and post a how too here as I am sure many others would be interested.

Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:57 am
by Wild Dog
Thanks Alistar
Reading other sites I get the impression that The Knotted Dog is basically a twisted leader ???????????
Last time in the Cape I didn't bother with twisted leaders and had no problems but apparently with bigger fish it's an advantage amongst snags etc.
According to reports we may be preoccupied keeping an eye on the crocs to worry too much about whether our leaders are of the twisted variety or non- twisted variety.
Disturbing to think how many good sized barra those buggers must eat !!!!!!

Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:01 pm
by Alistair
Knotted Dog/ twisted leader, same thing, I just know it as the former. Hopefully you make your own as they are very expencive to buy.

Just to add to the pre trip exitement, here is a Roper caught Barra from this season I am told. Peter Deinhoff, ex Darwin tackle store owner is the angler.

131cm salty,


Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:57 pm
by Wild Dog
That's some fish Alistar.
Just got one query, does the tube of Vegemite sitting on the side of the boat mean that there's a secret ingredient to catching those big ones that we don't know about ?????
If using twisted leaders means landing something like that I'm all for them.

Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:06 pm
by Alistair
Vegimite and Barra, I am told it's a Darwin thing :lol:

The New Cheesy Vegemite does not work as well :roll:

Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:42 am
by hynek001
Alistair described a knot that I think is the same as I have used for decades. It was shown to me on a big game charter by a deckie. He called it his "Cairns quickie" and he said it would work from 2 lb right up to very heavy monofilament leaders. I have tested it using scales and it is one of the few 100% breaking strain knots I know. As I tie it, holding a hook in my left hand between thumb and index finger, I pass the tag end through a metal ring (could be the eye of a hook or ring) and out again with 15 cm of the tag end held then held below the main line, then 3 times around the nail of my LH index finger, then pass the tag end through the loops on my LH fingernail from right to left, then tighten. Should you want to perfect this knot then let the loops unravel a bit before tightening so that you can properly see how the knot is constructed and that there are no kinks inside the loops. This will create a slip knot that you can then slide down the main line to close-up on the eye of the hook. This knot has never failed me and has been so good that I no longer use crimps when game fishing because for me this knot is better.

Re: Twisted leaders

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:15 am
by hynek001
Slight correction.

Pass the tag end through the loops from left hand side to the right hand side.

This knot also is described in Geoff Wilson's Complete Book Of Fishing Knots And Rigs, International Edition, as the Centauri Knot.

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