Bass Electric Trophys

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Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Adrian W » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:26 pm

I would like to publicly thank Dave Trinder for his generous contributation of 3 trophys to the Bass Electric Convention winners and also for the AOY winners trophy, which was appropriatley won by himself.

ABT please correct me if I am wrong but if it wasn't for Dave he would have nothing to show ,or for that matter, future AOY winners would have nothing to show for all their hard work throughout the year, but as to look at the scoreboard on the Australian Bass Website.

In what other sport do you have to supply your own trophy ?

While i'm sure that Shane Anderson and Ricky Simmons are extremly happy with there hard earened first place prizes, which consisits of the Bluefin Boats and Motor Guide Electric Motors valued at a couple of thousand dollars. The jump down to second place prize of about $40 has much to be desired. I personally, would have preffered a patch.

Other than that I think the whole weekend was great especially the Saturday afternoon Casting Comp. and Rory as MC, which was a crack up.

Cheers Adrian W

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by paulf » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:17 pm

I agree Adrian. Thanks Dave.
What great trophies they were !! I wouldn't mind purchasing one of those bass trophies ( made with a chainsaw !! ).
Also I have always thought the overall winner of the convention should recieve something ( now at least they get a great trophy for a year )
Its always been known that the winner of each fishing section gets the boat/motor combo and the third boat goes to random draw.
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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Ian » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:30 am

Yes I agree, if it were not for Dave's trophies there would be very little to show for two long days fishing the Bass Electric Final and winning overall first place for fishing. I also heard there was a survey fIoating around at the casting comp on saturday of the final, is there any chance this could be posted on the website so that all the people who fish the bass electrics can have a chance to have to some input, not just the ones who attended the casting comp.

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P.S. Thanks Dave for waking us all up on NSW time on sunday last day of final! :lol:

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Simon Goldsmith » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:24 pm

Guys give me your suggestions, what would you propose would be a suitable prize for the Champion Angler?

I'm being sincere here, let me know.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by bassbouy » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:55 pm

Thanks for that Adrian, sorry I wasn't there for the Sunday commentary but Jason and myself couldn't get a legal bass so we made a decision to leave early so I could get home in time to watch my Dragons flog the Roosters (never any doubt in that).

Had a great time up there with all my camping crew (especially Saturday night at the wine tasting hey Cuz). Adrian I agree should be badges for the top 20 A.O.Y. after 2 years and then reset, should be badges for the top 20 anglers over the 2 days of the grand final on combined weight of fish and the trivia and casting comp.

I would even go as far as cancel the grand final shirts and give out badges. because most anglers wear their shirts with badges they have already, or wear their sponsor's shirts. This might cut back the cost of entry fee for the grand final.

Prizes should be for the top 5 anglers over the 2 days of the comp, combined weight plus big bass like the pros and some good gear like the pros get. Or maybe first and second get the boats, and the electric motors go to the other place getters and you can still give away the third boat as a lucky draw or even have some cash prizes or gift vouchers as most anglers already have this stuff.

I still can't work out why we fish for 2 fish every comp all year, then we get to the final and it's 1 fish on Sunday? I think this should go back to 2 fish both days. Hope I haven't upset anyone, this is just my opinion.

Thanks, Rory.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Ian » Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:33 am

Optioned up for the bass electrics

lets keep it simple

non compulsuary $10 or $20 entry fee payable to person runny comp or nominated person on the day
money will be paid to the angler with the highest weight on the day, that as optioned up

rules
1 must be at weigh in to collect money or forfeit
2 must abide by all bass electric rules
3 ?

any suggestion would be appreciated
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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Adrian W » Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:32 pm

Rory,

I agree with you about the patches and possible scrap the shirts.
SM asked a question at the end of last season what finalist though about the shirts and only 4 or 5
pepole said they would wear it.

One possiable scenario:
*Boat and motor packages for first place getters for both days as per norm.
*Overall champion angler or AYO takes third boat(if he/she has already won one, then go to random draw)
*Keep entry fee the same and have cash payout for next 9 top finishers both days or overall (depending on numbers).

That way, ABT does not have to rely on sponsored based products as much, especially in these hard economic times.

Ian, i like the idea of the option up.

Cheers Adrian

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Francey » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:55 pm

i second what adrian said. Plus dont mind the idea of paying an extra $10 at qualifying rounds for a cash payout for the top 5

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by BJ » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:11 pm

If invited to again I will be happy to run another 3 electric rounds at Cressbrook in 2011. I think the idea of an option up would be be good. Obviously the payout will depend on the number of those optioning up. It will require a little bit extra work for the organisor and the option up payout would have to be cash.
It would make things more interesting as well. So if ABT approve then I as an organisor would be happy to run with it.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Ian » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:10 pm

Thanks Brad

Its good to see a volunteer organiser of the bass electric have a say in the future of our sport it can only help.

Ian Galloway
P.S. It's good to see the water levels at Cressbrook coming up.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Adrian W » Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:08 pm

I would like to appologise to ABT for my comments. It was not a personal attack on the ABT but I just wanted to make them aware of the big difference between first and second place prize packs.

While I was under the impression that most anglers were not happy with qualifying prize packs and the convention prize packs I was obviously wrong.
I had taken it upon myself to try and get the ball rolling by my comments. It appears that all but a few whingers (Thanks Ian, Rory, Paul, Stu and you to Brad for your comments on the optioned up suggestion) Are happy with the present format because of the lack of response.

Simon, dont fix whats not broken.

Cheers, Adrian.

P.S Does anyone want to buy a good Bass Electric Boat? Im thinking of buying a Kayak.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Ian » Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:59 pm

I think Adrian is correct I've heard alot of complaining about prizes throughout the year and after the final but very little is being said now. An online poll would be a waste of time as few would reply. Simon has asked for input with very little response. Come on guys this is your chance to make a difference, it's time to tell it to the people who can change it, instead of fellow anglers who are just as frustrated.
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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Shaun F » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:13 pm

I would like to say these are only suggestions; in all ABT, run good events, however there is always room for improvement.

* I would support paying an extra $10 a tournement, which is then paid out to the top 5 anglers.
* For the grand final I still like the idea of tournement shirts, at least if you don't win anything for the weekend, you come away with a shirt.
* With regards to the prize packs, I think vouches would be a better idea, at least then you can go and pick out what you actually want.
* The grand final first place winner on day one receives a boat, 2nd place recieves an electric motor, the same on day two. Then the overall winner of the grand final should win a boat and electric motor, unless they have already won a boat, then it is randomly drawn.


Cheers

P.S Thanks to Dave for donating the trophies and Ian for taking some video of the presentations.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Tom_B » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:10 pm

Unfortunately I wasn't able to qualify for the convention in my first year so I cannot comment on prizes given out this year.
But my understanding of the bass electrics has always been that it is a stepping stone into the bass pro events, so maybe it should be treated that way. If it is viable then I would suggest that the overall winner of the convention recieves an entry or mid level boat and motor package so the next year they are able to compete at bass pro events. Much like the bass pro winner gets to go to the next level which is the trip to america.
My 2c anyway,

cheers,

Tom

p.s. Bring on the option up

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by chrisfish » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:30 pm

There have been some good points made, I am not sure what imput abt has regarding how the boats are given away? Blue Fin are giving away the boats and might have the final say?
I ran the cania bass elec events this year and some of the guys wanted an option up. I got them to organise it themselves. Everyone who wanted to chucked in $5 and winner took all. I think they collected about $80. It was only my first go at running a bass elec but there was a fair bit to do so optioning up is something someone could easily do while waiting for the start.
Spreading the prizes down the line a bit sounds like a good idea as well.
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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by JAS » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:35 pm

Adrian I don't think you need to apologize for your comments, You are entitled to your option with out repercussion. I agree with you and a few thinks that have been said.
At the qualifying rounds the option up is a great idea and at the final an overall prize for the winner of the weekend should be up for grab's. I think that the whole idea of the electric series as a entry level needs to be lifted a bit first. As the series is a great starting point for someone getting into the comp scene but it should also be seen as series that can hold it's own. This will encourage sponsors to put a bit more into this series. On average there are 120 anglers that turn up for the Bass pro each round which accounts for 480 anglers per year, there are on average 40 anglers over 23 round for the electric series which accounts for 920 anglers over a year. I know this is a rough count but sponsors should look at this as an opportunity to promote there products. This would be at least a starting point for the the whole prize issue.
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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by paulf » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:21 pm

I think that the bass series is a series in its own right now I mean there are guys spending a fair amount of dollars on getting electric boats going fast and carrying extra batteries for the trip back ( all aimed at the electric events ) .
I only do the local Lale Macdonald events so not sure about prizes at other places BUT there is a lot of difference in the prizes that show up for each event ( March had sunglasses and lures etc in first place where as in September first place got a tackle bag thing and some soft plastics ) so a fair difference in dollar value and usefullness.
I don't know anything about the option up part BUT early on at Lethalls events we all put in $10 on the Satyrday and winner took all just for something to do and make a weekend of it.
Possibly for overall winner of the convention free entry into all events he/she ( Sue made me put in the she part !! ) wants to enter the next year ?
Paul
PS - I don't and have never seen the electric events as a stepping stone up to the bass pros ! I see them as a fun event that supplies the local stocking groups with an oppertunity to run events in return for a few dollars and for competitiors to see different dams/lakes that they may come back and visit in the future ( I know I had never been to Cania Dam before BUT after the convention will definately be going back for some holiday time and a bit of social fishing !)
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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Mike Weger » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:09 am

Hi All,

I think the Electric Series needs to be treated as a series on it''s own and not just a stepping stone in the the Bass Pro series. A lot of guys are choosing to do the electrics only instead of the Bass Pro due to logisitcs, time etc and they are spending plenty of money in doing so ..... just look at all the new Electric boats with all the bells and whistles in the tournaments now. My thoughts below -

-Scrap shirts and put money in to place getting prizes
-Option up for those who want to and if the tournament organiser is not keen then do it your self.
-Overall Convention winner (fishing) gets wildcard non-boater entry in to the Bass Pro Grand Final the following year.
-Scrap the one fish sunday and make it 2 fish each day.
-I have always thought less electric comps would be better ..... as they say it's quality not quantity. When the series first started a few years ago there were less comps but much bigger fields and better prizes and you could go back to the top 10 qualify to make up for the less comps. Just a thought.

Oh and another thing I think Motorguide as the series sponsor should have an array of their product and maybe some staff on hand at the convention to show all their latest products. Actually it would be great if all the sponsors were there in some shape or form and had like a mini trade show for all the competitors and their hanger oners.
Thanks Adrian for starting the post.

Cheers,

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by The Cowboy » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:31 pm

Hi Guys,
Been out of action for a while but thoughts on the subject, NO.1, THERE ARE SOME MORE CONSISTENT, OPEN MINDED AND BETTER ANGLERS that choose to fish the bass electric series over bass pro events, (TOM-B I consider the Non Boater in a pro event as the stepping stone to Bass Pro, the electric series is it's own series and any top 10 finish is no easy undertaking)
NO. 2, The bass electric series in my opinion tends to regularly feature different high tech techniques not seen in the bass pro series winning the some 30 events. (There is a lot of un recognised local talent out there un-sponsored and not in lights)
NO. 3, Running a couple of events as a volunteer with 70 plus field is some task, (Collecting the gear usually the week before in your own time, setting up early before anyone arrives, running the comp and being responsible for all of ABT's equipment, money and any infringment of local regulations etc, carrying out the weigh in and compiling the scores is a two person job, packing up and dropping back the equipment in your own time) Maybe ABT should consider moving on from the Volunteer system?
No.4 No option up but up the entry $10.00 and have a pay out and sponsor prize packs, $30.00 x 70 = $2100.00, or for an average field of 30 anglers $900.00, nothing to sneeze at.
NO. 5, Consider some mid season two day events in a pro series format, 4 or 6 best fish?

I believe that this series needs to taken more seriously by ABT, the electric series really is the FUTURE OF BASS FISHING in Australia! Maybe the convention prize winner could be a wildcard entry to AFC?

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by AndyB » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:18 pm

Adrain thanks mate for getting this out there , Im all for optioned up or just paying 10 or 20 more bucks each round so top five at least get there entry back. Also i think we do need a better prize for overall gf champ i like shaun F idea


thats just my two cents cheers

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by BJ » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:27 pm

I agree with most of the points raised by Cowboy except for the move away from the volunteer organisor for the electrics. Although the organisor is a volunteer we are effectively getting paid as good as cash in the form of entry credits. I use the entry credits I earn to pay for the Bass Pro events. I doubt there would be as many electric events if it was up to the paid ABT staff to organise and run them.

Having run the last 2 years of events at Cressbrook it is evident that the Bass Electric comps are a specialist competiion in it's own right. The competitors at the electric events are specialists in their field. One look at some of the boats will show that.

Maybe it is time for ABT to consider raising the entry fee and putting some of the money back as prizes. The only issue though is that the prize money will have to be awarded in cash as I doubt if the ABT would like to hand out cheque books to all the organisors. Perhaps the entry fee can be increased to a mandatory $40 with $20 going towards prize money. (That way the cash prize payout is funded by the anglers) The prize money could be split to the top 5 anglers with a possible percentage as follows:


On an average field of 30 anglers x $20 each = $600

1st prize 40% = $240
2nd Prize 25% = $150
3rd Prize 15% = $90
4th Prize 10% =$60
5th Prize 10% = $60

For an extra $20 per angler the possible cash prize is quite appealing. The cash prizes on top of the sponsored prizes would be a step towards increasing the profile of these worth while events.

As I said in a previous post, I am happy to do this extra bit of work as an organisor.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Pumba » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:47 pm

Hi Guys,
Thanks Adrian for bringing the topic up- no apologies needed for your thoughts.
I generally agree with most points made, and would be keen to see the profile of the Elec Comps raised to a level that the anglers and their equipment warant. The Bass Elecs are becoming more and more specialised and host plenty of consisent and very talented anglers that are unable to compete in the higher profile events due to work, family, etc.

All for a option up/ money pool, even if entry in the money pool is not mandatory. Only if the organisers are in support. The suggestions already made with an additional $20 going to the cash pool makes for a attractive stash for the winner. Perhaps pay down to top 5 to take things away from the 'winner take all' aspect. This point has come up the last few years and I think it would make the elec circuit more attractive to anglers. Congrats to Brad for sticking his hand up to offer this at the Cressy comps.

I like the idea of the tournament shirts and personally would prefer the shirts over a badge, if it came down to one or the other. Give us something to show for the convention if we didnt fish as well as others. Just my opinion.

As Rory mentioned, the convention going to a 2 fish per session over 2 sessions 'overall' with the breakdown of the prizes being split up further down to top 5 or similar.

These are just my thoughts and are in no way a attack or critisism of ABT or any of its members. Just some way of improving what we all enjoy in its current format.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by skin » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:23 pm

my two bobs worth.
i think the option up is a great idea rather than upping the entry fee. while i know i would option up i also know not all anglers are there for the prizes. many of the guys i travel to comps with are there for the social atmosphere as much as the fishing, putting entries up may see some guys not coming for financial reasons, especially those paying for their kids to fish.
on the subject of prizes i think the prize packs for the qualifying rounds are pretty ok for your 20 bucks. i would like to see the prizes spread out a bit at the convention. i know ABT has a winner take all attitude but i think a top 5 at the grand final is no mean feat and maybe deserves a better prize than fifth at a qualifying round. maybe the boats and motors could be split.maybe boats for the top 3 overall, motors for 4th and 5th and a motor for lucky door. and maybe smaller prizes for each days fishing.( just another option ) i know sponsors are hard to come by so i guess any more prizes for the grand final would have to come from current resources, maybe grand final entry fees.
I've always been happy with the way things have been run by ABT and as long as we are all still enjoying ourselves at the comps things are still pretty good.
if the conventions weren't well run & good fun i wouldn't have made the 3000km round trip to Cania.
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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Steve Morgan » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:20 pm

Guys,

Good discussion with some good ideas coming from it - and glad it's kept itself on the rails.

Should be no problems with an optional side pot in cash.

Also, no problems for badges for convention - say top 20 or 30? Does anyone want a 70th place badge?

I notice the 'creep' happening with BASS Elec AOY and Rankings - originally competitors wanted this done for academic purposes but now there are rewards expected. Fair call - we'll see what gaps we can fill. FYI top Ranked BASS Pro and BREAM guys get a badge.

A note regarding prizes. I go out and solicit the sponsorship/prizes from the industry. Of the product we get, around 60% goes to the electric events and 40% to the BASS Pro non-boater prize packs. Do the maths - 4 BASS Pro Qualifiers get 10% of the booty each. The 30 BASS Electrics get 2% each with some of the major ones given at Convention. Therefore there's around 5 times the prizes at a BASS Pro event than there is at a BASS Electric. The entry fee is five times as much. Is there a better way to do it?

Remember, also, that of the $20 you pay for a BE event, 10% goes to GST, $5 per competitor to bass stocking and there's a couple of hundred bucks worth of entry credits that are allocated to the organiser for the efforts they go to. Also, most of you would cringe at the amount of paperwork and coin required to get permits to run events at some of these places and the PLI bill!

Rest assured, it's not a cash cow for anyone, but we think it's a neat series with some great anglers and a close knit group of hard-core followers.

And be proud that above and beyond your SIP contributions (in QLD) and NSW RFL, there's been over $100,000 in cash donated direct to stocking groups by ABT tournament bassers over the years via ABT.

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Re: Bass Electric Trophys

Post by Barry_O » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:20 am

There are some very good points among the comments above and I have to say I agree with the "option up" suggestion.
The Electric series these days have some tremendous purpose built boats and some very, very good anglers as stated elsewhere that don't have the oppurtunity, time,finances or simply choose not to fish the Bass Pro events.

I would also like to add to the discussion as noted below.
A couple of things which wrankle me a little is the Bass Electric AOY winner is really Bass Electric AOY of 2 years???!!
That does not make a lot of sense to me.
I think that the ranking system should continue to stand as it provides incentive to "climb the ladder" for all participants.
The Bass Electric AOY should be based on each years results from say your five best events (I'm open on the number of events)in the current year and that the formula used for the Bass Pro Angler of the year be applied to the Bass Electric Series.
If ABT does not have the resources to compile it I would be happy to do it.

The other thing that I have noticed is that the Bass Electric events get very little coverage these days in QFM. Once all Bass Electric events were covered but now only the occasional one is included.
I know there may be reasons for this but as the Electrics is purported to be the entry level for Bass Pro events and people use this to test the water. the more publicity the events get the more people we are likely to get into the Bass Electics and the subsequent flow on to the Bass Pro Events.

I would also like personally thank all volunteer organisers for their efforts over the years without that we would likely not have these events which I have to say I enjoy tremendously both from the competitive and the social aspect.

Anyway that's my two bob's worth !

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